Sack Trick Interview with Chris Dale
by Reuben Gotto for Blank Canvas 
www.blankcanvas.co.uk  


Your new long-awaited album of Kiss cover's is nearing completion, having heard a lot about the roundabout way you've recorded previous albums, was it the same with Sheep In Kiss Make-Up?

  Yeah, we’re not really into that whole thing of "going into a studio, bashing out twelve tunes, letting a stranger mix it, releasing the result, then regretting it" type of game that so many bands are so fond of, as you’d probably guess from a glance at www.sacktrick.com . Our album’s are a bit more like a fine wine. We sit at home with them, let them mature, have fun with them, re-record bits after drinking more Belgian beer, invite some friends over to have a go. Let’s face it albums should be good, ideally. Especially Kiss tribute albums. So there’s no point in rushing them. We started recording this album (our third) before the first one, so some parts have had seven years to mature. 1995 is a good vintage for drum tracks and Chardonnay.

Whose playing’ on this albums? Witch friends have "had a go"?

As well as me and Alex Dickson we also invited…(takes deep breath before some hideous name-dropping)…Dougie White (Rainbow, Yngwie J Malmsteen), Robin Guy (Rachel Stamp, Faith No More), Jem Davis (FM, UFO), Alex Sponder Elena (Bruce Dickinson), Bruce Dickinson (Iron Maiden), Ace (Skunk Anansie), Ben Calvert (Vex Red), CJ (Wildhearts, Jellys), Alex Kane (AntiProduct, Clam Abuse), Chris Sharrock (Robbie Williams, The La’s), James Spreda Bailes (Emma Bunton), Liegh Marklew (Terrorvision), Pete Friesen (Alice Cooper, The Almighty), Greg Smith (Alice Cooper, Rainbow, Blue Oyster Cult), as well as Bobby the Bus Driver, Chris Nubile, Milena Roxx, Mark Cevallos, Joe Inferno, Jinx, Damonski Henrik Johannsen, Mattias Reinholdsson & our next-door-neighbour’s party (which we recorded for them, in case they forgot to). But our big scoop came when we got the head-honcho from Blank Canvas records down to hear some tunes. We were so thrilled when he said he’d like to have a go. His name’s Reuben "Big A&R Man" Gotto, and he’s done some brilliant work on there including inventing a brand new word for the English language. We always try to expand the language by at least one word per album. Reuben’s new word for this album is 'Sacirifice'. It’s kind of like the word sacrifice but with a lot more blood and entrails, which some modern sacrifices tend to skip over. For the next album we’re going to put some instrumental MP3’s on our website then anyone can have a go too!

What track's are on there and how did you choose from such a massive back catalogue? Are there any track's which your particularly proud of?

No...Sorry I meant, yes! I’m always mixing those two up. When you’re doing a Kiss tribute album the whole thing has to be a labour of love. I’ve come to love every moment of it, but then I would do, I like anything to do with Kiss. I love the Spanish waiter who sings 'I’m a Legend tonight', I love the reggae groove of 'Love Gun', I love the covers of unreleased Kiss songs, I love the FULL METAL RIFF that we put in 'Almost Human', I love the version of Robin Guy singing 'Beth' and I even love the snoring at the end of 'All Hell’s Breakin’ Loose'. It was really hard to leave tracks off, at one point it was going to be a double album, there’s just so many great Kiss songs out there. I think the only bit I don’t love is the bonus track which scares me a bit.

 Are their plan's for a tour to support the release?

Oh yes! The whole point of making records (apart from the fun of getting drunk at home with a microphone) is so that you can then go and get drunk around the country. We’ll be booking a tour as soon as the records out (hopefully Sept/Oct 2002). We going to play a mixture of Kiss tunes our own tunes from the Mystery Rabbits and Penguins on the Moon albums, maybe some new tunes and intersperse them all with some drunken bum notes. We’ll play every toilet in Britain that will have us, then we’ll go and look at some European urinals too.

Presumably the facepaint might come out for these then..

  That’s a strong possibility that we can’t really rule out. Also if anyone coming to the gigs fancies putting on the Make-up they’re more than welcome to come up and sing a Kiss song too. Just Email us chris@sacktrick.com let us know you’re coming down, what song you fancy doing and we’ll take it from there!

 Why the change of label for this release to Infernal?

There are many reasons why bands change record companies. 99% of them are financial. The reason we chose Infernal for this album is that the guy who runs Infernal is Dante Bonutto. Dante has a special place in my heart as the guy who used to write all the Kiss features in Kerrang when I was a kid. I used to read and re-read his interviews with them before going to bed each night. Apart from that no reason at all. All record companies are much the same- a bit shit...except Blank Canvas of course, sorry! Actually can we do our next album with you please?

 While on the subject of Kiss, haven't you been in correspondance with Gene Simmon's recently due to a certain website?

Yeah, I did a website http://www.dsn.co.uk/osirinprophecy/ proving that Kiss are actually reincarnated Egyptian Gods. Check it out, it’s quite funny. Gene didn’t really see that side to it, and wrote to me saying I should 'get a life'. I wrote back and told him I was just trying to help him out a bit with some profile building. He then took the time to explain humour to me which was nice and told me to lighten up a bit. Dontcha love Americans? I wonder if he’s going to like our new record?

Sack Trick have been busy this summer playing around Europe as Bruce Dickinson's backing band, how has that been going?

It’s been reasonably metal actually! It’s just a good laugh to go and play Heavy Metal to thousands of people each night. But it’s not going to take over from Sack Trick, it’s just a free beer ticket for the summer. Me and Bruce have been mates for a while now (I used to play in his solo band before he went back to Iron Maiden) so he just called up and asked if Sack Trick fancied being his backing band over the summer. He really likes Sack Trick for some reason. We had some time off before going out to tour the new Sack Trick record so we thought- why not indeed! The band is me, Alex Dickson, Pete Friesen and Robin Guy…and it rocks hard and heavy!

 I don't suppose you managed to talk Bruce into slipping Penguins On The Moon into the set?

Not quite, but then when you’ve got Powerslave in the set it can’t really get much better can it? But we did manage to talk him into singing a bit on Sheep In Kiss Make-up, he thinks Kiss are rubbish, so he really had to grit his teeth doing that one.

What plan's do you have for Sack Trick once the Kiss album is out and has been toured a bit?

Go home, stay out of trouble… actually we’ve already started recording a new original Sack Trick album. And started compiling ideas for a sixth one too. We just can’t wait! We love making records almost as much as we love Heavy Metal itself. I can’t say too much about these new albums yet. But we’re planning to record the live album (number six) on a ferry in Finland. It will be called 'Live on the Baltic'. Nobody’s ever done that before. Then again nobody ever wrote a rock opera about Penguin Astronauts either. I’m not sure we get enough credit for these ground breaking ideas. Is it just me or is US Nu-metal a bit boring now we’ve had a few albums?

We’ve also just released a card game, called Shape Card Championships, which people can Email me at chris@sacktrick.com for a free trial version. It’s quite a tedious game really, but we’re proud of it.

There’s always something new and usually embarrassing going on at www.sacktrick.com  or http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/penguinsonthemoon like our new project to get people to pose with signs saying they wish they were in Sack Trick. So far we’ve got Tom Araya, Yngwie J Malmsteen and Sick of it All. They all wish they were in Sack Trick.

If people want to keep abreast of what’s going on in our silly World they can Email me for the card game and I’ll keep them udated from there on.

Have any of you been up to anything interesting outside of Sack Trick and Bruce's band lately? I hear Al Dickson has quite a few ongoing projects' at the moment.

Alex Dickson is a cheekily busy chap in-between playing  with Sack Trick, Bruce Dickinson, Emma Bunton and Robbie Williams he also finds time to record with dozens of side projects. Now everybody enjoys a good side project every now and then- I like playing with AntiProduct, Robin likes playing with Faith No More- but this boy Alex takes the piss. He’s got four of them up on www.MP3.com . The bands are called Streamer, Magnificient (yeah, I know spell check doesn’t like that one but that how it’s spelt in Those Magnifient Men and their Flying Machines), Fling UK and Al’s Strange Trip to New York. He really will keep doing more and more until someone stops him. While we’re on the subject of MP3s the Sack Trick site www.sacktrick.com has been updated with loads more new MP3 to download.

You must get given some pretty interesting demo's from time to time.. Does anything stick out as worth checking out?

 Every now and then a piece of genius drops through the PO Box (PO Box 16432, London W6 0ZQ). The latest one has been an album called Painful Love by Pillow talk. (what’s their website again, Roo?) They’re great musicians taking the piss out of all sorts of sick things. They will make you cry with laughter. The trouble with bands sending me demos is it’s a lose-lose situation for them. If they’re rubbish I hate them and send them anonymous death threats, and if they’re good I steal all their band members. So they should think twice before sending me anything.